by the way,nice having conversation with u
and 1 more thing,thank you very much for your compliment..

may God bless you..

Most of what I’m criticizing is also very common with students. I don’t know how far your capabilities of discovering content on the internet are, but try searching for any unofficial forum for medical schools in Egypt. Ain-Shams, Zagazeeg, Kena, Mansoura,.. you name it. You’ll find many students bothered by the same points I’ve mentioned.

I don’t want to mention the name of my university because it’s irrelevant! I want to give my articles a universal impact, because I know it’s the same in all med schools in Egypt. My university is even one of the better ones in the country. You do not seem to understand journalism.

You also seem to not read my comments carefully or do not understand to some extent because by saying “and whenever i ask them about the system,they told me nothing is going wrong with the system except for the crowded issue and the syllabus…” you prove you did not get my point about people NOT trying to say the truth. Egyptians, unfortunately, have become used to being negative and silent. They think everything is OK, and that’s why we’re going backwards.

And you end your comment with an extremely brilliant conclusion: “either the system that u said is wrong or something is going wrong with you…” which does not even make sense. Yes, the system is wrong. In fact, all systems in Egypt are wrong. Oh my God. Don’t you read newspapers? You’re living in a goddamn corrupt country. Please, for god’s sake, WAKE UP! Egypt ranks 105 among 179 countries in the Corruption Perceptions Index (CPI). That’s terrible.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_Corruption_Perceptions_Index

I feel I’m wasting my time replying to you, so this will be my last reply to you. You seem to be narrow-minded, shallow-thinking, and uneducated. You blindly reject the idea that medical schools in Egypt is not good and needs improvement, although you can see many comments that agree with me about that here! Y.S., the commentator above, is also an international student in a private med school in Egypt, and he sees medical education in Egypt inefficient.

Want me to tell you, “Hey man, everything is OK, and we’re on the top!”? Alright, here you go: “Hey man, everything is OK, and we’re on the top!”. Now go celebrate.

So, please stop reading my articles if you don’t like them, and stop wasting my time.

i do not know why you dont want to mention the university u r in..either because u r lying about some or most of the things or u r scared as ur identity might be known..

apart from that,u told me..some of the points dat u wrote down are based on what u heard from ur friends or internet..i wanna ask u one thing??do all the things u heard/read are reliable enough and can be trusted without any proof…

those things are like gossips..maybe they r true or maybe not
furthermore,when gossip move from person 2 person,it’s getting bigger and bigger…
then finally when u heard them,u directly wrote them down without any thoughts dat the thing u r writing down maybe right or maybe wrong…

next,some of my seniors and friends are under egyptians system as well..and whenever i ask them about the system,they told me nothing is going wrong with the system except for the crowded issue and the syllabus…

lastly,i made a conclusion in your case..
either the system that u said is wrong or something is going wrong with you…

have a good day…

It seems you did not understand my point, or may be it’s a bit too complicated for you to understand, so I’ll try to explain it.

I didn’t mention which university I go to because I speak for Medicine in Egypt as a whole. From what I’ve heard from friends and from students on the internet, other universities are not better. And please remember I talk only about PUBLIC medical schools, that teach native Egyptians. It seems you and abdullah want to know which university I’m talking about just to avoid it!

Private medical schools and special programs like IUMP are potentially better of course because the number of students is smaller and it’s a paid service after all. You have the privilege to complain to the person in charge, but we do not. We can only complain on blogs like this one.

As to your remark about how we should stop complaining, I must say I disagree. First of all, I’m not complaining; I’m criticizing. I want medical education in Egypt to be better. I want Egyptian physicians to be more competent. I want my country to be better and stronger. This is my country, and as much as I dislike many things in it, I do care about it, and do wish that it becomes better. I have no means of conveying my care and attention about my country except criticizing it. Yes, you heard it right. Criticism is not an offense. It’s not hatred either. It’s a way by which humans and systems become better. How can we repair our defects if first we do not list them down? That’s simply what I’m doing. My own belief is that criticizing is a part of living, and I do not think it’s possible for life to continue without criticizing.

While doing this, I’m also trying my best to face any obstacles. No contradictions here. I’m not just complaining and crying. And I didn’t mention a word about the difficulty of studying. I’m a hard-working student at heart, and I had been the first on my class throughout my education. The difficulties I’ve faced here when I came to Egypt in my medical school is NOT related to studying. It’s simply related to a corrupt unorganized system. An atrocious system in which the brilliant are lost. A horrific system which produces ill-experienced so-called doctors who bring the practice of Medicine to shame, and bring our country to defeat.

People have different perceptions of things. May be KONO did not notice the negatives in his medical school. May be he noticed them, but he didn’t care. May be he cared, but he didn’t try to express his views, and that’s the most dangerous mistake humans ever make, in my opinion. KONO left the country and is probably working as a physician in the U.S. now. His case reminds of a man who is walking down the street, and suddenly notices a big hole right in front of him. He moves aside at the last moment, and thankful, he simply continues his walk. A minute afterwards, another man comes up jogging. He does not see the hole, and he falls down in it.

Now couldn’t the first man put a sign in front of the hole to warn people about it? or couldn’t he call the police or whoever is responsible for that? At the very least, couldn’t he go home and blog about a big hole in the middle of the street and how could it be left that way? He could. But he didn’t do it. Now is that what you think is right?

May be you do not see the negatives because you’re in a better system. May be because it’s not your country after all. May be you’re just thankful you got accepted here. May be you do not believe in criticism. I do not know. It’s up to you. What I know is that I MUST criticize my medical school, my country, my family, and myself. That way, I believe, we all will become better.

And by the way, it’s not only me who’s criticizing medical education in Egypt. Professional journalists are too. Check this post (We’re playing doctors!).

Good luck.

i am one of the students in medical school,egypt under IUMP system..
and so far i found this system is really good as we will discuss with the person in charge for any problems.

and 1 more thing,i agree with KONO…we should stop complaining and try our best to face any obstacles..if u dont want any difficulty in ur s2dies..just quit from s2dying medicine and study another easier courses instead.

good luck..

http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2006/05/01/corruption-in-egypts-medical-schools-part-2/
http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2006/05/09/corruption-in-egypts-medical-schools-part-3/
http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2008/11/26/corruption-in-egypts-medical-schools-part-4/