Comments on: Wikipedia in Masri? No, Thanks! http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/ Millions of nerve cells are working in harmony Tue, 24 Nov 2009 23:58:39 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: Jasmine http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-27757 Jasmine Thu, 10 Sep 2009 02:53:34 +0000 http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-27757 I think it's helpful for students, to see if they understand etc. But good article I think it’s helpful for students, to see if they understand etc.
But good article

]]> By: justanotherthinker http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-27636 justanotherthinker Wed, 08 Jul 2009 14:51:31 +0000 http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-27636 Of course i don't mind. I just want to make one thing clear to those who sommented on this post. 1) The goals of Wikipedia Masry is not to help Foriegners to learn Masry and Arabic. If you go through the request page and read the "for arguments" would find that their ultimate goal is to replace Arabic as the official language of Egypt with Masry, they do not consider themselves (and egyptians in general) Arabs or related to Arabs in anyway. And this is the main point that annoys me otherwise I wouldn't have cared less what they do 2) As for Arabic not being suitable for Scientific discussions as well; well have you tried reading a scientific article on Wikipedia Arabic? You'll find it more than adequate unlike Masri. I do not know about Medicine but alot of Scientific publications and books in subjects of Math and Physichs ,to name a few, are published in Arabic. Inaddition to the fact that alot of schools in Egypt teach Science and Math in arabic. 3) a third point that i would like to pose for discussion is that of "Religious Articles". I personally find the religious Articles in Wikipedia Masry (unlike thos in Arabic or English) are seriously offensive to all Religions and not just Islam. They are written in an almost sarcastic matter it might be to no fault of the author but the language just cannot be taken seriously. I am not going to quote any of them because honestly they give me the hepitijibus. Sorry for the rather legnthy comment but I couldn't help myself and i hope that i have helped clear out some confusions (and hopefully generated more confusions to replae them) Of course i don’t mind. I just want to make one thing clear to those who sommented on this post.

1) The goals of Wikipedia Masry is not to help Foriegners to learn Masry and Arabic. If you go through the request page and read the “for arguments” would find that their ultimate goal is to replace Arabic as the official language of Egypt with Masry, they do not consider themselves (and egyptians in general) Arabs or related to Arabs in anyway. And this is the main point that annoys me otherwise I wouldn’t have cared less what they do

2) As for Arabic not being suitable for Scientific discussions as well; well have you tried reading a scientific article on Wikipedia Arabic? You’ll find it more than adequate unlike Masri. I do not know about Medicine but alot of Scientific publications and books in subjects of Math and Physichs ,to name a few, are published in Arabic. Inaddition to the fact that alot of schools in Egypt teach Science and Math in arabic.

3) a third point that i would like to pose for discussion is that of “Religious Articles”. I personally find the religious Articles in Wikipedia Masry (unlike thos in Arabic or English) are seriously offensive to all Religions and not just Islam. They are written in an almost sarcastic matter it might be to no fault of the author but the language just cannot be taken seriously. I am not going to quote any of them because honestly they give me the hepitijibus.

Sorry for the rather legnthy comment but I couldn’t help myself and i hope that i have helped clear out some confusions (and hopefully generated more confusions to replae them)

]]> By: Muhammad Saeed http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-27635 Muhammad Saeed Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:14:00 +0000 http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-27635 @drhaisook I totally agree with your point of view, plus I'm against the fake-wikipedia (Masri). @Ehab Yes, they are free to write in any language, but they claimed that there is a language called Masri (for god's sake have you ever heard of language called Masri before !!) and created a a Wikipedia for it, and started writing !! I consider it as their "blog", not our Wikipedia. Also, see this link, It's the discussion that was made in Wikipedia Arabic while Wikipedia Masri was being initiated: http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86/%D8%A3%D8%B1%D8%B4%D9%8A%D9%81/%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1/09/2008 Thanks. @drhaisook
I totally agree with your point of view, plus I’m against the fake-wikipedia (Masri).
@Ehab
Yes, they are free to write in any language, but they claimed that there is a language called Masri (for god’s sake have you ever heard of language called Masri before !!) and created a a Wikipedia for it, and started writing !!

I consider it as their “blog”, not our Wikipedia.

Also, see this link, It’s the discussion that was made in Wikipedia Arabic while Wikipedia Masri was being initiated:
http://ar.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D9%88%D9%8A%D9%83%D9%8A%D8%A8%D9%8A%D8%AF%D9%8A%D8%A7:%D8%A7%D9%84%D9%85%D9%8A%D8%AF%D8%A7%D9%86/%D8%A3%D8%B1%D8%B4%D9%8A%D9%81/%D8%A3%D8%AE%D8%A8%D8%A7%D8%B1/09/2008

Thanks.

]]> By: Bahaa Zaid http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-27634 Bahaa Zaid Tue, 07 Jul 2009 23:00:46 +0000 http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-27634 No, It's not easier for us (Egyptians) to read in this Masry thing, it's a crap, we never saw it written, and it's not a language at all, every governate/city has its own dialect , everyone has his own dialect. No, It’s not easier for us (Egyptians) to read in this Masry thing, it’s a crap, we never saw it written, and it’s not a language at all, every governate/city has its own dialect , everyone has his own dialect.

]]> By: Ehab http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-27632 Ehab Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:38:28 +0000 http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-27632 و الله هم احرار يكتبوا زي مهمو عايزيين !! ده ايه ده .... حاجه عجيبه و الله ! و الله هم احرار يكتبوا زي مهمو عايزيين !!
ده ايه ده ….
حاجه عجيبه و الله !

]]> By: drhaisook http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-26757 drhaisook Mon, 25 May 2009 21:29:49 +0000 http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-26757 I totally agree. I totally agree.

]]> By: Fatma Tounsi http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-26711 Fatma Tounsi Sun, 24 May 2009 14:38:40 +0000 http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-26711 I understand that some people might benefit from a wikipedia Masri, such as foreigner students who want to learn Arabic dialects, but I think that in general there is much more harm done by this page than the gained advantage. The thing is that Arabic is suffering quite a lot at the moment. Arabs are neglecting their language and choosing to use foreign words and expression. Youngsters and elders alike hardly know anything about Arabic grammar. Using dialects to write is becoming a phenomena that not only threatens our culture and heritage, but also minimizes our ability to express scientific and technical knowledge in our own language, because dialects are generally much more recipient of foreign words. I understand that some people might benefit from a wikipedia Masri, such as foreigner students who want to learn Arabic dialects, but I think that in general there is much more harm done by this page than the gained advantage.

The thing is that Arabic is suffering quite a lot at the moment. Arabs are neglecting their language and choosing to use foreign words and expression. Youngsters and elders alike hardly know anything about Arabic grammar.

Using dialects to write is becoming a phenomena that not only threatens our culture and heritage, but also minimizes our ability to express scientific and technical knowledge in our own language, because dialects are generally much more recipient of foreign words.

]]> By: drhaisook http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-22541 drhaisook Thu, 26 Feb 2009 20:05:51 +0000 http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-22541 I agree about that, but Masri is not only deficient in scientific terms, but also in lingual terms. As you said, often one needs to insert fusha into Masri to form a meaning. There are many Arabic words with no synonyms in Masri. That's why I think Masri is nothing more than a dialect of Arabic, but people in Wikipedia insists on it being a standalone language. I agree about that, but Masri is not only deficient in scientific terms, but also in lingual terms. As you said, often one needs to insert fusha into Masri to form a meaning. There are many Arabic words with no synonyms in Masri. That’s why I think Masri is nothing more than a dialect of Arabic, but people in Wikipedia insists on it being a standalone language.

]]> By: American student of Arabic http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-22536 American student of Arabic Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:30:41 +0000 http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-22536 However, it does seem like 1500 articles is kind of enough already. It definitely shouldn't be a serious project... However, it does seem like 1500 articles is kind of enough already. It definitely shouldn’t be a serious project…

]]> By: American student of Arabic http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-22535 American student of Arabic Thu, 26 Feb 2009 18:22:19 +0000 http://drhaisook.wordpress.com/2009/02/01/wikipedia-in-masri-no-thanks/#comment-22535 and... compare the chinese wikipedia article to the arabic (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%84%B1%E6%B0%A7%E6%A0%B8%E7%B3%96%E6%A0%B8%E9%85%B8). the chinese article only uses "dna" in english, basically nothing else. meanwhile, the arabic article feels the need to translate the word "genes" and even the word "translate". formal arabic has a little way to go in becoming a scientific language itself. and… compare the chinese wikipedia article to the arabic (http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E8%84%B1%E6%B0%A7%E6%A0%B8%E7%B3%96%E6%A0%B8%E9%85%B8). the chinese article only uses “dna” in english, basically nothing else. meanwhile, the arabic article feels the need to translate the word “genes” and even the word “translate”. formal arabic has a little way to go in becoming a scientific language itself.

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