Real Muslims ‘vs’ Islamofascists   60 comments

Last updated: May 27, 2006, at 8:43 pm

While the aftermath of the derogatory cartoons of the prophet of Islam Muhammad has been very fierce, and while most of the christians (westerners) encouraged such acts and supported Denmark, where the Muslims around the world felt disgusted by that so-called free speech which could not be entitled but a racist, childish and shallow view of other religions. While all of this has been happening, there are somethings that should be cleared up.

First off, I’ve come across the post ‘Buy Danish!’ at ConservativeForce‘s blog. There I’ve seen very shallow and hostile comments to Muslims and Islam. It seems they think all Muslims are Bin Ladens or something. When I confronted the owner of the blog as to this, he replied that he only meant Islamofascists. I take this as hypocritical for he has published the derogatory cartoons of Muhammad. Then he meant Muhammad was an Islamofascist, and all muslims then are ones, too.

Please read this post carefully if you know little or nothing at all about Islam.

What’s the meaning of the word ‘Islam’ ?

‘Islam’ is an arabic word which originates from the word ‘salam’. The latter means ‘peace’. It also originates from ‘tasleem’ that means ‘seeking help from God only and not from others’

So how could Islam supports terrorism? How could it support hating of non-muslim nations? That is totally wrong.

What’s the meaning of the word ‘Muslim’ ?

Obviously the word ‘Muslim’ comes from ‘Islam’. But while ‘Islam’ is the noun, ‘Muslim’ is the adjective. A muslim is a person who is peaceful, and seeks help from God only and not from others.

Muslims are to live in peace and harmony with people of all other religions. For knowledge, Islam is the only religion that officially believes in Moses and Jesus, and the corresponding religions of theirs. For in Islam there is only One God. He sent many prophets to the humanity, including Abraham, Noah, Loot, Saleh, Hood, Moses, Jesus, and finally Muhammed.

Here comes the critical question that most of westerners would ask; If Islam supports peace and Muslims should do so, why are muslims doing such terrorist attacks allover the world?

In short: those who do such terrorism are muslims that misunderstood the true meaning of Islam. Why? Let’s trace the story from the beginning.

Islam was one of the most powerful and most intelligent empires in the world. By its kind way of teaching, and the democracy it supported, it reached Persia (Iran now), until its border with India now eastwards, and spain westwards. When Muhammad and the most faithful leaders of Islam died, Islam fell. Islamic countries have gradually become poorer. Poverty is a dangerous state. It’s literally a disease.

People have modified the text of the ‘Hadith’ (the talk and commandments of Muhammad) introducing statements that flows according to their own desires and personal needs. And since poor people are typically ignorant, they would not notice, or even care, for they searched for food and shelter while their Islamic text was being changed.

In a few centuries, most of the Muslims became totally or partially unaware of the dignity and true commandments in Islam. Together with weak economical and political states, some Muslims have been ‘transformed’ into what we call terrorists or ‘Islamofascists’.

What’s the meaning of the word ‘Islamofascist’ ?

Islamofascist is a violent, narrow-minded, extreme and a hostile Muslim who thinks all other religions do not deserve to be, and that all non-muslim nations deserve terror and death. He/She believes in this due to all or some of the following:

  • Low economical state
  • Low social state
  • Unemployment
  • Misleading education
  • Low IQ and natural hostile behavior
  • Massive amounts of spare time
  • Massive amounts of money (like the case with Bin Laden)

Could be summed up in a nice article by Afghan, titled Why frustrated Muslims are so frustrated.

It must be mentioned that Islamofascists are a very few samples that live within the muslim society, and that they do not – by any means – reflect the true beliefs of real, peaceful muslims. They require re-education and enlightment as to what they’re doing. They require psychological and behavioral medication.

Famous Islamofascists (not real Muslims): Osama Bin Laden and Ayman Al-Zawaheri.

On the contrary, I’d like to mention names of some muslims who have given a lot to humanity:

Prof. Ahmed Zuwail : winner of Nobel prize in chemistry
Naguib Mahfouz : winner of Nobel prize in Literature
Farouk Al-Baz : head of NASA – training department, USA

What can I do to know the real truth about Islam ?

1. I recommend checking out these documentaries and books:

The Holy Quran Book
Islam: Empire of Faith DVD
Inside Islam (History Channel) DVD
Muhammad: A Biography of the Prophet
Book

2. I’ve recently added a few questions that you – as a westerner – may have asked yourself:

3. Visit ‘real’ Islamic websites and read thoroughly. I recommend: IslamOnline. Beware of the thousands of anti-islamic websites that are there, e.g. Answering-Islam.com

List of ‘fake’ islamic or anti-islamic websites (updated regularly):

http://answering-islam.com/
http://terror-watch.net/

4. I also recommend manipulating the whole thing in your mind. Think about it. How could a religion that you think is violent spread that fast and wide? How could there be more than a billion of followers? Just think about it.

Here’s a quote from a reviewer who read the Biography of the Prophet, Muhammad:

Muhammad, his story, his religion, and his people are among the least understood elements of world history to your average Westerner. The information we are bombarded with today portrays Muslims as terrorists, anti-western, blood-thirsty savages. This book endeavors to release the Western mind from the bonds of ignorance and the blinders of propaganda, and reveal a Prophet, and a people, with a real, sometimes tragic and sometimes triumphant history, with a conclusion of remarkable success. Whether you agree with Muhammad or not, you will finish this book appreciating his genius, his faith, his leadership, and his accomplishments.

I hope this article has enlightened your ideas about Islam, at least a little.

An Off-Topic

This is a question from a guy from Venezuela. Answer taken off IslamOnline.

Jesus never killed anyone. Is that also true of Muhammad? Did Muhammed spread his religion by conquest?

Concerning what you said about Jesus not killing any one, we can tell you that Prophet Muhammad never killed any one too. But, Jesus’ mission was to guide people peacefully and in a land, which was occupied by a foreign power, and under siege, there was no liberty or freedom to allow Jesus to work openly or to oppose the authority in power. It was not the aim of Jesus to build a state. That is why we find that the people who followed him were small in number and influence. Though in the New Testament and in the four Gospels, in particular, Jesus did ask his followers to carry their swords and to follow him, he clearly said that he came not only to cast peace but also to set fire. He asked his disciples to be ready to sacrifice their lives for his cause.
Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him) never raised or commanded any of his followers to raise a sword against his enemies in Makkah. Rather, he ordered them to remain patient and steadfast (despite all the persecutions and torture displayed by the Quraish against them). But when he moved to Madinah, Allah commanded him to establish the Muslim State, and this necessitated some sort of power and authority. Nonetheless, he was ordered not to resort to force in dealing with people disbelieving in him until after exhausting all peaceful means. For example, he concluded a peace treaty with the Jews acknowledging their religious and political rights and giving them the same rights as Muslims to live in Madinah and to run their own society in accordance with their own religion with no interference from Muslims. But all this did not prevent the Pagans of Makkah, aided by their Jewish allies in Madinah, to launch an attack against the Muslim State, so the war took place.

Here, we may bring to your notice that even though the war between the Muslims and non-Muslims in Arabia was very much limited and was under tough conditions, it was a sort of self-defense and with aim of preserving the creed and defending the newly-established State.

Muhammad was not only a prophet like Jesus or Moses (peace and blessings be upon them all) but he was a prophet and a statesman and his mission was a universal one. Along this line, Prophet Muhammad delivered his message outside Arabia through peaceful means. He performed peace treaties even with the polytheists in Makkah, received Christian delegations in his mosque and conducted a dialogue with them in the best decent manner ever existed. While still in Makkah, he sent a delegation to the Christian country, Abyssinia, and the history also recorded that its king, Negus, who was also at the helm of the Christian hierarchy, was held in high esteem by Prophet Muhammad (peace and blessings be upon him).

War in Islam is only legitimate if it is for self-defense or as a means to defend the religion, tradition, and the way of life as believed by Muslims. Even if the war takes place between Muslims and non-Muslims, there are certain religious and human conditions that should be taken into consideration. For example, the civilians should not be attacked, the crops should not be destroyed, and the water supply and other means of living should not be ruined.

Any other Muslim who goes astray off these rules is not a devout Muslim, and does not behave on behalf of other good Muslims.

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Posted February 3, 2006 by H. H. in Favorite Posts, Mass Media

60 responses to “Real Muslims ‘vs’ Islamofascists

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  1. While I personnally agree with your post and make the distinction between Islam and the jihadist cut throats but there remains another very large problem.

    No one cleans there own house better than the owners of it. There would be much less terrorism if those closest to them “cleaned house.” How many Islamic countries have assisted Iraq, Afghanstan or Kosovo. Muslim brothers one any all yet no help in any way.

    Secondly your statement (“Muslims around the world felt disgusted by that so-called free speech”) is flat out disingenious. It’s not “so called free speech” it is free speech. Wether the mesage is agreeable to you or others that’s what a free society is based one. And BTW what Muslim country has “free speech”? They all have geovenment managed media.

    And finally, and related to my first point. Perhaps the Europeans could ask the Palestinians about their own issues with cartoons. For instance, if they find the printing of the Danish cartoon of Muhammad blasphmous and disrespectful then maybe they can explain this, which appeared in the Palestinian newspaper Al-Hayat Al-Jadida on March 22, 2000.

    The caption reads: “Pope: “Peace on Earth!” Satan/Jew: “Colonies on Earth!”

    What brings more prejudice against Islam, these caricatures or pictures of a hostage-taker slashing the throat of his victim in front of the cameras or a suicide bomber who blows himself up during a wedding ceremony in Amman?

  2. First, we should agree that ‘Free Speech’ means: honesty, truth, and evidence. Those cartoons are far from these criteria, since illustrating the prophet of Islam Muhammad as a terrorist means all muslims are as well. Well, this is plain ‘wrong’. You’ve just mentioned that not all muslims are terrorists, and that there only a few of them who are islamofascists.

    As regards to the cartoon, I haven’t seen it. Please attach it for evidence.

    Muslim countries never assist Terrorists. For instance, Saudi Arabia (KSA) has withdrawn the Saudi nationality from Osama Bin Laden once it was known how dangerous he was. He is not to enter the lands of Saudi Arabia nor any other muslim country.

    Afghanistan is not supporting him. Afghanistan is a very weak country. Bin laden escaped to there decades ago where he’s been hiding until now. Afghanistan is not strong enough to force him go out,.. not even find him in the first place. Even the US couldn’t do it.

  3. “First, we should agree that ‘Free Speech’ means: honesty, truth, and evidence.”

    Not even close my friend, but understandable considering your home country (I believe Eygpt) doesn’t have a free press. Definition: Freedom of speech is the liberty to freely say what one pleases, as well as the related liberty to hear what others have stated. Recently, it has been commonly understood as encompassing all types of expression, including the freedom to create and distribute movies, pictures, songs, dances, and all other forms of expressive communication.

    “As regards to the cartoon, I haven’t seen it. Please attach it for evidence.”

    Can you not click the link provided that has in plain view a section labled “cartoons and photos?” Here is a direct link as you seem to have little understanding of what a link is for.

    “Muslim countries never assist Terrorists.”

    Is this meant to be satire, or some kind of joke? You can’t be serious. Saudi Arabia has sent millions of dollars to Palestinian homicide bombers and their families. The Palestinian Authority is Muslim correct? Have they not commited terroristic acts?

    Bin Laden enjoyed the temporary protection of Afghanistan’s Taliban regime. The Taliban were given the option of turning him over prior to the US war, they turned it down. THAT is supporting bin Laden and terrorism.

    Bin laden escaped to there decades ago where he’s been hiding until now.

    Wrong, here is the timeline:

    April, 1991 Bin Laden flees Saudi Arabia, after being confined to Jiddah for his opposition to the Saudi alliance with the United States. He moves first to Afghanistan and then to Khartoum, Sudan by 1992 (Source: Newsweek 2/1/99). Sudan had begun to allow any Muslim into the country without a visa, in a display of Islamic solidarity. Allegedly, hundreds of suspected terrorists and ex-mujahedeen come to Sudan as a safe haven (Source: New York Times 9/21/98).

    1992: Bin Laden begins to set up legitimate businesses in the Sudan, including a tannery, two large farms, and a major road construction company. When Saudi Arabia began pressuring Pakistan to get rid of the mujahedeen near the border with Afghanistan, bin Laden reportedly paid for 480 Afghan vets to come work with him. The Sudanese leaders liked this wealthy Saudi who was enthusiastic about investing in their fledgling Islamic state.

    April 9, 1994 The Saudi government revokes bin Laden’s citizenship and moves to freeze his assets in Saudi Arabia because of his support for Muslim fundamentalist movements. (Source: New York Times 4/10/94)

    May 1996 The Sudan expels bin Laden because of international pressure by the United States and Saudi Arabia. Bin Laden then moves back to Afghanistan. (Source: Jane’s Intelligence Review 10/1/98)

    In Europe, the Middle East, the Pacific Rim … Muslim Mobs spreading mayhem. It seems that these mighty mad Muslims are rioting and firing their ever-present AK-47s into the air because of cartoons. Yup … this latest epidemic of Muslim outrage comes to us because some newspapers in Norway and Denmark published some cartoons depicting Mohammed.

    Muslim outrage huh. OK … let’s do a little historical review. Just some lowlights:

    * Muslims fly commercial airliners into buildings in New York City. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslim officials block the exit where school girls are trying to escape a burning building because their faces were exposed. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslims cut off the heads of three teenaged girls on their way to school in Indonesia. A Christian school. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslims murder teachers trying to teach Muslim children in Iraq. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslims murder over 80 tourists with car bombs outside cafes and hotels in Egypt. No Muslim outrage.
    * A Muslim attacks a missionary children’s school in India. Kills six. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslims slaughter hundreds of children and teachers in Beslan, Russia. Muslims shoot children in the back. No Muslim outrage.
    * Let’s go way back. Muslims kidnap and kill athletes at the Munich Summer Olympics. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslims fire rocket-propelled grenades into schools full of children in Israel. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslims murder more than 50 commuters in attacks on London subways and busses. Over 700 are injured. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslims massacre dozens of innocents at a Passover Seder. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslims murder innocent vacationers in Bali. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslim newspapers publish anti-Semitic cartoons. No Muslim outrage
    * Muslims are involved, on one side or the other, in almost every one of the 125+ shooting wars around the world. No Muslim outrage.
    * Muslims beat the charred bodies of Western civilians with their shoes, then hang them from a bridge. No Muslim outrage.
    * Newspapers in Denmark and Norway publish cartoons depicting Mohammed. Muslims are outraged.

    Dead children. Dead tourists. Dead teachers. Dead doctors and nurses. Death, destruction and mayhem around the world at the hands of Muslims .. no Muslim outrage … but publish a cartoon depicting Mohammed with a bomb in his turban and all hell breaks loose.

    I know and understand that these bloodthirsty murderers do not represent the majority of the world’s Muslims. When, though, do they become outraged? When do they take to the streets to express their outrage at the radicals who are making their religion the object of worldwide hatred and ridicule? Islamic writer Salman Rushdie wrote of these silent Muslims in a New York Times article three years ago. “As their ancient, deeply civilized culture of love, art and philosophical reflection is hijacked by paranoiacs, racists, liars, male supremacists, tyrants, fanatics and violence junkies, why are they not screaming?”

  4. Don’t worry friend. I am an Indian Sikh and yet I feel that you religion is the best.

    There a lot of people in this world who are not against Islam. Just because a few fools bring bad name to your religion, doesn’t mean it is bad.

    One should look at all the principles and good things your religion is based on. I have lots and lots of Muslim friends. And they are all against this violence in the name of Islam.

    Let the fools talk and fanatics speak their own shit. You and I know your religion is good. That is what matters.

  5. Nice… real nice. I see you believe in censorship and deleated my rebuttal to your mostly misinformed disingenuous answer to my first post.

    Of course that’s is your right just like all the Islamic countries. Don’t like the truth but are perfectly willing to spread lies and censor what their population hears and sees.

  6. I didn’t delete anything. It was under moderation, and now it’s approved… see it above..

  7. You are stating terrorist attacks done by islamofascists and insane muslims, yet you insist on relating all this to Islam and all muslims in general.

    I don’t know why you are insisting on that.

  8. And by the way, I agree on the definition of free speech. But, I think it should never be used to degrade religions or prophets. Because religions are accepted by many people in general, and any degradation of a religion means degradation of all of its believers.

    Muslims have never degraded Christianity, Jesus, or Judaism though they criticize the US and Israel, and many others. The reason is that Islam commands believing and supporting all religions that came from God, who is one.

    Muslims criticize jews who live in Israel and kill the innocent palestinian people, the original owners of the land of Palestine. Those type of Jews are named “Soh’yoo’ni” in Arabic. I don’t know what it is called in English.
    On the other hand, and for example, Jews used to live in Egypt in peace with Muslims and Christians before they immigrated to Isarel in 1948, and are called now “Arabs of 48”.

  9. To drhaisook and stupidcriminals: I think you’re both right. I feel you are both intelligent human beings who understand that an open world is the world of the future.
    And although it concerned ‘only’ cartoons, there’s something to say for the media to show some respect for other cultures/religions. Personally, I think Islam people should laugh it away (like we do with cartoons portraying Christianity), but then again: it’s just their religion. It is forbidden to display Mohammad, so it IS an insult if we do display him in media. When I visit a mosque in Turkey, I take off my shoes, and my girlfriend covers her hair, in respect of the local culture/religion.
    And for the western world, freedom of speech is holy, in a way that Mohammad is holy for Islam. So you see there’s a problem here 🙂

    I think the Western media should simply apologize to the Islam, but the Islam should also not react so heavily. We are still free to say what we want to say, we only need to show some respect in saying it. And Islam should respect European culture as well. Because after all, it’s not like we dropped millions of pamflets of the cartoons all over Middle-East, now is it.

    Some more mutual respect and open-ness would do us all good.

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  11. Well said, Fluppe. The problem is that both sides (the Western and Islamic world) each value their beliefs (freedom of speech and religion, respectively) fiercely, at the cost of the other’s belief. Each side thinks their belief is superior above and beyond everyone else’s. The result is two contrasting groups butting heads.

  12. Comment edited by drhaisook due to inappropriate/vulgar words it contains.

    I used to live in Norway.

    People who’ve never been to Scandinavia who want for it’s destruction because God tells them it’s a good plan, or because they can’t brush off an unfunny cartoon are, and pardon the base speak here, naught but f****** a**e holes.

    I don’t mean that in a “I have a small brain and a limited vocabulary and so I express myself with expletives and caps lock shouting like some UseNet flamer” kind of way. I mean, they are naught but f****** a**e holes, in a “I hope when they get to heaven all the virgins promised to them have the body of a pig – a yummy, bacon sandwich, hog rind, elmer fudd, covered in it’s own s**t, pig”, kind of way.

    So go ahead flag burn boy, make my day. Burn the flags of all of our nations. Hell, knock yourself out, burn crosses with Christ on them and statues of the Virgin Mary for all I care, although just a word to the wise, it tends to be a pretty useless method of defense against a fleet of aircraft carriers loaded up to the t**s with British solders, who’ll stop at nothing until the evil, subhuman breed, which these pathetic bastards represent, who hide behind the peaceful and tolerant religion of Islam like cowards, who Mohammed himself would disown and condemn are wiped of the face of the earth.

    Our earth.

    With our oil under it’s Christian crust.

  13. howgoodisthis,

    Your comment shows that its owner is very ignorant, very vulgar, very narrow-minded, very shallow, very racist, and very unconvincing.

    To be honest, you being alive is really the strongest evidence of the theory that states “Some people live only because it’s illegal to shoot them”.

    Your comments will be moderated from now on.

  14. The world is a safer place thanks to (duh duh duuhhh!) drhaisook man!

    Maah, but you’re right. I got myself all wound up there for a moment. Oh well. I guess that’s why they gave me the largactill chlorpromazine for!

    G’night evrybuddy!

  15. From the Dorian Kingsley Oxford Dictionary:

    Islam n. the religion of the Muslims… [from Arabic islam ‘submission (to God)’]

    I really don’t see peace anywhere in the definition.

    “I take this as hypocritical for he has published the derogatory cartoons of Muhammad. Then he meant Muhammad was an Islamofascist, and all muslims then are ones, too.”

    I really don’t see the logic in this statement. The owner of ConservativeForce did say that he won’t be censoring any comments on his post. Thus, any opinions from the comments section which state that all Muslims are terrorists may not necessarily be he is and definitely does not mean that the owner means that Muhammad was an Islamofascist.

    Another mistake in your statement is that the owner of ConservativeForce displayed the images to show his belief in free speech. Never in his post did he give any interpretations of the pictures and all his discussion is focused on [read:] the violent reactions of some Muslims to his cartoons. This means that when he mentions anything about Islamofascists, he is referring to “Muslims” who as you say, don’t understand the true meaning of Islam, and not to Muhammad.

  16. How could Islam spread so fast if it was a violent religion, he asks?

    Don’t you know islam was and is still spread on the wings of conquest? Never heard of Kosovo or Sudan have you. Never heard of killing of Christians in Indonesia.

    It subdued nations (and still does), and marginalizes other religious minorities. If you’re a Christian or a Jew in an Islamic country, you’ll be sure to get your share of discrimination and persecution.

    So, basically, that becomes an incentive to convert to Islam.

    Furthermore, muslims allow themselves to marry christian women, but do not allow for christian men to marry muslim wives.

    And of course, conversion from Islam to another religion, or apostasy, is being met by extreme hostility, expulsion, if not death.

    Even critical thinking about Islam can bring one into trouble, like the Egyptian professor who fled to Leiden, Netherlands because his marriage was revoked by a Sjaria-court since he was labeled an infidel. He then had to flee since living with his wife was considered ‘adultery’, for which Islam has again such humane penalties.

    Which is ironic, since the islamic world knows a live sex-trade with underaged girls. One can even marry and underaged girl for an hour in some countries, only to divorce her.

    And as an Egyptian cleric said recently, Islam is attractive because it satisfies mans carnal desires. It allows for a man to have several wives at his disposal, slaves, posessions. Islam is the religion that backs the powerful – and everybody wants to be on the winning team.

    So basically, that answers your question. The reason Islam lasts so long is because of it’s inherent violence, which subdues the weak and empowers the strong.

    And as far as the prophet Muhammed is concerned…. It would seem:

    -Muhammad had numerous poet critics killed, such as Abu Afak even a woman in her sleep, namely Asma Marwan.
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Green/assassins.htm

    -Muhammad pirated caravans, even during the holy months, when war was forbidden. He had date palms chopped even though this was against the conduct of war in those times.

    -His troops raped married women, with his consent, women who then still had to be bought back by their spouses.

    -Mohammed had Kinana tortured and killed and then took his wife Saffiya. He also destroyed the marriage of his son Zaid, in orde to make him divorce his wife, so he could have Zainab for himself. But this is explained in such a way, that Allah himself ordained this adultery.
    http://www.answering-islam.org/Responses/Osama/lesbian.htm

    – He had many captured slaughtered, many forced into conversions, commited genocide and ethnic cleansing of Jewish tribes.

    http://www.answering-islam.org/Books/Gairdner/camouflage.htm

    So basically, all this is why people think Islam is inherently violent.

  17. Dear Hale Hand,

    How could Islam spread so fast if it was a violent religion, he asks? Don’t you know islam was and is still spread on the wings of conquest? Never heard of Kosovo or Sudan have you. Never heard of killing of Christians in Indonesia.

    the concept of holy war is denounced in Islam because in Islam war can only be characterized as either just or unjust, not holy. The Qur’an permits only a just war, a war waged to remove tyranny and oppression, or in self-defense. The Qur’an is categorical in denouncing all wars of aggression.

    [And fight in God’s cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression — for, verily, God does not love aggressors.] Al-Baqarah 2:190

    To know more, please read: Did Muhammed lead a violent life? , a question by Jack from Canada.

    If you’re a Christian or a Jew in an Islamic country, you’ll be sure to get your share of discrimination and persecution.

    That’s totally wrong. Christians and Jews live in peace in Egypt with Muslims. They reach high social and educational levels. They get their share of all what they are supposed to get. Botros Ghali is a christian Egyptian who was once the prime minister of Egypt

    Furthermore, muslims allow themselves to marry christian women, but do not allow for christian men to marry muslim wives.

    That’s because in the second case, the offspring would be christian. Islam supports increasing number of muslims. I think that’s fair. For instance, if you formed a certain group, you’d for sure want more members.

    And of course, conversion from Islam to another religion, or apostasy, is being met by extreme hostility, expulsion, if not death.

    This does not happen in Egypt, a muslim arab country. Who wants to convert to religions other than islam can freely do it. He/She can even choose to be an atheist. No problem there.

    since the islamic world knows a live sex-trade with underaged girls. One can even marry and underaged girl for an hour in some countries, only to divorce her.

    Please correct your information. Such acts were usual in the pre-islamic era, in the arabian gulf. Islam has fiercely prohibited that. However, Islam allows marrying up to 4 women, provided that justice be practiced equally upon them. I see there isn’t any kind of backing the powerful – as you say – or just satisfying man’s carnal desires. For I’ve read that more than 60% of the westerners cheat on their wives — they may even do it with a dozen of women. So the difference in Islam is that it’s no more cheating. It’s official and legal.

    And as an Egyptian cleric said recently, Islam is attractive because it satisfies mans carnal desires. It allows for a man to have several wives at his disposal, slaves, posessions. Islam is the religion that backs the powerful – and everybody wants to be on the winning team.

    Check the previous answer.

    Answering-Islam.com

    This is an anti-Islam website. All the information it has is false and fabricated. Do not take anything you read on the internet (esp. religious things) as true. I’m Muslim, and I assure you that the website mentioned is so far from the truth. There are a lot of such websites on the internet. I recommend a good one: IslamOnline.

    So basically, all this is why people think Islam is inherently violent.

    Unfortunately, that’s what the westerners think, or what the western media want them to think. Please follow my advices and read the section of “What can I do to know the real truth about Islam?” — i.e. Get the books and DVDs, and check out the website I recommended, above.

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  19. Dear doctor,

    You are deluding yourself by mistaking Islam as you would like it to be for how it works in practice.

    The stories of christian and jewish minorities in Egypt and other Arab countries suggest ‘peace’ only insofar as these minorities act as dhimmies and take abuse without much fuss.

    Secondly: go read a history book and you will see that Islam spread through violent conquest, starting with Muhammed himself. Or would you want to assert that raiding caravans is something one does ‘in defense’?

    About Answering-Islam: the fact is it’s has all it’s allegations documented by reputable collections of Hadith. The picture of the robber prince gathering a band of hoodlums with promises of wealth and women is of course at odds with the sanitized and idealised picture Muslims have of how Islam came about. But historically speaking, it makes much more sense.

    Answering-Islam is an anti-islamic website, true. But it does back up it’s claims with plenty of reference to Sura’s and Hadith’s. Now, if you want to show these are false, then you should show these Hadith’s are weak and the Sura’s should be interpreted differently.
    But just stating that what X claims is totally false doesn’t make it false as such.

    The sex ‘industry’ in muslim countries is also well documented.

    http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/jun202004/sl2.asp

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/1219601.cms?headline=One~minor~girl,~many~Arabs~

    http://redstate.org/story/2006/2/11/4401/22990

  20. Well,… Hale Hand,

     The stories of christian and jewish minorities in Egypt and other Arab countries suggest ‘peace’ only insofar as these minorities act as dhimmies and take abuse without much fuss.

    Ok, let me say the case is similar to that of Black people in America. I think it’s accurate that way. Black people reach higher standards of living as well as Chrisitans and Jews do in my country. A little bit of racism is always there no matter where or when you are.

    …..you will see that Islam spread through violent conquest, starting with Muhammed himself. Or would you want to assert that raiding caravans is something one does ‘in defense’?

    If you read my article again (the off-topic part) and this article, you’ll know the answer to this question. Muslims would wage war (no killing of civilians though) only in these cases:

    1. To remove tyranny and oppression. (like the US invasion of Iraq to capture Saddam and end his oppression).
    2. Self-defence.

    Answering-Islam is an anti-islamic website, true. But it does back up it’s claims with plenty of reference to Sura’s and Hadith’s. Now, if you want to show these are false, then you should show these Hadith’s are weak and the Sura’s should be interpreted differently. But just stating that what X claims is totally false doesn’t make it false as such. 

    I cannot bring the original text of Suras and Hadith, for this would take ages, and even though I’ve been talking about such subject, I’m not that professional nor do I have enough references. However, it’s universally known that Muhammed didn’t kill any civilians, ever. Even those who physically harmed him did not suffer any harm back. On the contrary, Muhammed used to pray and wish for them to enter Islam and be forgiven. So how come would he kill those who spoke bad of him? I’ve never heard about that poet incident or the poet himself, Abu Afak.

    The sex ‘industry’ in muslim countries is also well documented. 

    I agree with you that many Muslims practise within what you called the ‘Sex Industry’. Especially the leaders and kings of the Arabian gulf, for those still have the thing in their blood from the pre-islamic era. Even homosexual activities (esp. male) are common there.

    But, does that mean those people represent Islam and all other devout Muslims? Islam has striclty prohibited such acts. It’s written clearly many times in the Quran.

    For instance, there are many Christians who’ve gone astray, and do nasty things, yet in their identity cards, the word ‘Christian’ is written under ‘Religion’. Does this mean all Christians are that way? I don’t think so, and I don’t think you do either…

  21. Dr. Haisook,

    I seriously recommend that you moderate comments of foolish people who write useless and stupid stuff against Islam.

  22. Well, Sukhbir,

    I don’t want to moderate the comments to show the world that we – muslims – believe in and support Free Speech which is based on decent and convincing discussion.

    Now that I talked with Hale Hand, I’ve shed light on every point he mentioned, making it very clear to all others. I could simply delete his comment, esp. the one that contains lies about Muhammad’s personal life.

    I’ve basically written this article because I felt the westerners are really ignorant when it comes to Islam. The average westerner is unfortantely unaware of the international politic statuses. I wanted to write a clear, simple article, with links to evidences and answers to common questions.

    So let them say what they think, and let me – or let others – correct them.

    And thank you for being so defendive on Islam!

  23. Don’t worry Doc. You can be rest assured that there are many normal people in this world who feel the same way as I do.

    But as always, exceptions are there. And in this case, they are people who got their screws loose.

    Salaam.

  24. It’s really sad to see that so much people can’t differentiate between the teachings of a religion, and the practicising (spelling?) of it.

    @HaleHand: judging a whole religion to be aggressive, just because some men were power-hungry and said of themselves: “I am muslim”, is really short-sighted. One word for you: crusades.

    BTW: before you start flaming: I am atheist.

  25. Thanks, Sukhbir

    And I agree with you, Fluppe.
    About the ‘crusades’ topic: I don’t want to progress in such topic to not be labeled as racist and anti-christian though it is very evident that there are many signs nowadays pointing to that term.

  26. The Stone and the Tree..is this Islam?

    You tell me
    Are ceratin Hadith’s and Suras t be accepted and rejected?
    How can that happen if the document is immutable?

  27. Dr Haisook and stupidcriminal I think you are both wrong.

    Dr Haisook, you said:
    ————————-
    ‘Islam’ is an arabic word which originates from the word ’salam’. The latter means ‘peace’. It also originates from ‘tasleem’ that means ’seeking help from God only and not from others’

    So how could Islam supports terrorism? How could it support hating of non-muslim nations? That is totally wrong.
    ————————

    Since when does etymology affect actions? I do think that Muslims are peaceful and against terrorism but unfortunately public opinion seems to be against you, partly because there is a large minority of ignorant saps infesting your religion that preach hate and violence and then pretend their completely justified in doing so. Those voices are over-amplified, which is wrong, but its not something that can be combatted by complaining about it. Voices like yours need to be amplified but you’ll have to do better than saying Islam is non-violent because the word Islam means peace. There must be a Palestinian Ghandi who can lead them through their tribulations through the force and courage of will, not bombs.

    As for stupidcriminals, he is a troglodyte and a plagarist. While some of his points are valid, and not untrue, he is unable to perceive a reality beyond his narrow scope of vision. This is the ignorance you’re up against and I wish you good luck in your task.

    i think its good you don’t censor comments and address each one point by ridiculous point. hale hand is correct that islam did spread through violent methods. my own people suffered terribly at the hands of islamic expansion in the 8th century. what hale hand is so ignorant to, among many other things, is that islam is not exceptional in this behavoir. His critique of sex trade in Muslim countries is hilarious for its hypocrisy (and also I wasn’t aware that India was a ‘Muslim’ country) and pointlessness.

  28. Dear epaminondas,

    The Stone and the Tree..is this Islam?

    I don’t know what you mean by this. Please provide more clarification.

    Are ceratin Hadith’s and Suras t be accepted and rejected?
    How can that happen if the document is immutable?

    It is quite obvious you are not much knowledgeable on Islam. God has stated that his speech to Muhammad, which is collectively called ‘The Quran’ (which consists of many ‘Suras’) will not be changed and is immutable. While nothing of this sort has been stated about Muhammad’s speech and advices, collectively known as ‘The Hadith’ or ‘Sunna’. History tells us that the latter has been modified to a relatively big extent by evil Musilms.

    Dear elemental,

    Since when does etymology affect actions?
    Voices like yours need to be amplified but you’ll have to do better than saying Islam is non-violent because the word Islam means peace.

    I didn’t just say that “Islam is non-violent because the word Islam means peace”. I’ve added the proofs and causes of why such islamofascists/terrorists commit such awful acts. My previous sentence meant that a Muslim to be fully Muslims must not be aggressive. It seems you’ve read what you like, and just ignored what you don’t.

    Please read the full article and the links, in addition to my comments.

    There must be a Palestinian Ghandi who can lead them through their tribulations through the force and courage of will, not bombs.

    History states that the land of Palestine is clearly Arabic and that it has been inhabited by Arabs for millions of years. Israel is simply unjust to establish its territories on a land that is not its property. An obvious cruel theft it was. Now the Palestinians are living in poverty, depression, and degradation. They want their land back. They tried that in a peaceful way through transcripts and documents, but all in vain. What else to do? Imagine you’ve been robbed off your own house, you go to courts but nobody listens to you, you try to cry out but all you get is imprisonment and offence, what are you to do? Please reply, honestly.

    i think its good you don’t censor comments and address each one point by ridiculous point.

    I don’t cencor comments because if I did so I’d be cheating myself and my religion. For by hiding such comments, I’d be hiding proofs and evidences that strengthen my point of view. All those whom I replied to have not replied back because I’ve listed all the proofs and good interpretations that they had nothing to say.

    hale hand is correct that islam did spread through violent methods. my own people suffered terribly at the hands of islamic expansion in the 8th century.

    I repeat that it’s a very wide-spread misunderstanding. Islam did not spread through violence. History tells us that Muhammad, once his religion started to flourish in his tribe, received a good deal of physical offence and punishment from the other tribes nearby that its people were polytheistic and did not like the idea of the One God. Muhammad and his people had to defend themselves and their state. In a tribal community like that, violence was common because it was a very tough environment. That was locally. When Islam flourished furthermore, and started to spread outside the Arabian Peninsula, Muhammad’s message reached the ears of the non-Muslim lands, like Persia and the Roman empire. Muhammad and his assistants called the people of those lands into Islam in peace, but they not only received rejection, but also military offence and persecution. Muhammad had to defend his religion and state once again.

    The people of Persia and the Roman empire had been living in terror and derogation, as it was common in that era. Read history. Resembling a state of Saddam’s Iraq and the US invasion, the mission of Islam was to remove tyranny and oppression. And that was it.

    So that’s how violence emerged in Islam, just for self-defence and removing the cruel.

    I don’t know where you come from, and regarding the suffering your people had, it’s obvious what you’ve said has come from an offensive and aggressive soul, and not from a calm and rational thinking.

    [And fight in God’s cause against those who wage war against you, but do not commit aggression — for, verily, God does not love aggressors.] Al-Baqarah 2:190

  29. Qoute:
    War in Islam is only legitimate if it is for self-defense or as a means to defend the religion, tradition, and the way of life as believed by Muslims. Even if the war takes place between Muslims and non-Muslims, there are certain religious and human conditions that should be taken into consideration. For example, the civilians should not be attacked, the crops should not be destroyed, and the water supply and

    defend religion tradition and the way of life as believed by Muslims say it all
    NO COMPROMISE|!

  30. alsopinion,

    Your comment is way far from clarity…

  31. wooow your using a lot of Al-taqiyya here.

    please explain all these..

    623 – Battle of Waddan
    623 – Battle of Safwan
    623 – Battle of Dul-Ashir
    624 – Muhammad and converts begin raids on caravans to fund the movement.
    624 – Zakat becomes mandatory
    624 – Battle of Badr
    624 – Battle of Bani Salim
    624 – Battle of Eid-ul-Fitr and Zakat-ul-Fitr
    624 – Battle of Bani Qainuqa
    624 – Battle of Sawiq
    624 – Battle of Ghatfan
    624 – Battle of Bahran
    625 – Battle of Uhud. 70 Muslims are killed.
    625 – Battle of Humra-ul-Asad
    625 – Battle of Banu Nudair
    625 – Battle of Dhatur-Riqa
    626 – Battle of Badru-Ukhra
    626 – Battle of Dumatul-Jandal
    626 – Battle of Banu Mustalaq Nikah
    627 – Battle of the Trench
    627 – Battle of Ahzab
    627 – Battle of Bani Quraiza
    627 – Battle of Bani Lahyan
    627 – Battle of Ghaiba
    627 – Battle of Khaibar
    628 – Muhammad signs treaty with Quraish.
    630 – Muhammad conquers Mecca.
    630 – Battle of Hunsin.
    630 – Battle of Tabuk
    632 – Muhammad dies.
    632 – Abu-Bakr, Muhammads father-in-law, along with Umar, begin a military move to enforce Islam in Arabia.
    633 – Battle at Oman
    633 – Battle at Hadramaut.
    633 – Battle of Kazima
    633 – Battle of Walaja
    633 – Battle of Ulleis
    633 – Battle of Anbar
    634 – Battle of Basra,
    634 – Battle of Damascus
    634 – Battle of Ajnadin.
    634 – Death of Hadrat Abu Bakr. Hadrat Umar Farooq becomes the Caliph.
    634 – Battle of Namaraq
    634 – Battle of Saqatia.
    635 – Battle of Bridge.
    635 – Battle of Buwaib.
    635 – Conquest of Damascus.
    635 – Battle of Fahl.
    636 – Battle of Yermuk.
    636 – Battle of Qadsiyia.
    636 – Conquest of Madain.
    637 – Battle of Jalula.
    638 – Battle of Yarmouk.
    638 – The Muslims defeat the Romans and enter Jerusalem.
    638 – Conquest of Jazirah.
    639 – Conquest of Khuizistan and movement into Egypt.
    641 – Battle of Nihawand
    642 – Battle of Ray in Persia
    643 – Conquest of Azarbaijan
    644 – Conquest of Fars
    644 – Conquest of Kharan.
    644 – Umar is murdered. Othman becomes the Caliph.
    647 – Conquest of the island of Cypress
    644 – Uman dies and is succeeded by Caliph Uthman.
    648 – Campaign against the Byzantines.
    651 – Naval battle against the Byzantines.
    654 – Islam spreads into North Africa
    656 – Uthman is murdered. Ali become Caliph.
    658 – Battle of Nahrawan.
    659 – Conquest of Egypt
    661 – Ali is murdered.
    662 – Egypt falls to Islam rule.
    666 – Sicily is attacked by Muslims
    677 – Siege of Constantinople
    687 – Battle of Kufa
    691 – Battle of Deir ul Jaliq
    700 – Sufism takes root as a sect of Islam
    700 – Military campaigns in North Africa
    702 – Battle of Deir ul Jamira
    711 – Muslims invade Gibraltar
    711 – Conquest of Spain
    713 – Conquest of Multan
    716 – Invasion of Constantinople
    732 – Battle of Tours in France.
    740 – Battle of the Nobles.
    741 – Battle of Bagdoura in North Africa
    744 – Battle of Ain al Jurr.
    746 – Battle of Rupar Thutha
    748 – Battle of Rayy.
    749 – Battle of lsfahan
    749 – Battle of Nihawand
    750 – Battle of Zab
    772 – Battle of Janbi in North Africa
    777 – Battle of Saragossa in Spain

    And they call it, ” ‘Islam’, Religion of Peace “.

  32. dear english kaffir,

    Where have you brought such battle names from? I must say I can’t recognize many of them. It seems they were made up. Are you aware there are a lot of anti-islamic websites that provide such lies?

    I hope you haven’t just read the title of the article. I have added the reasons as to why Muslims chose violence towards the enemy. They did that because in a tribal community, there is no place for compromises. The non-believers thought Muhammad was a liar, and that he constituted a vast risk on their trading, so they decided to wage war on him. That is how it used to go 1500 years ago. Now how could Muhammad defend himself and his religion? He tried to advise his enemies with good speech, but as I said before, such stuff didn’t work with them. Violence was the only weapon, and conquest was a way Muhammad used to defend his religion.

    Jesus did not use violence to spread his religion, you’d ask. Please read the answer to the question above of “Jesus never killed anyone. Is that also true of Muhammad? Did Muhammed spread his religion by conquest?”.

    Muhammad’s message was a universal one. He was sent by the same God who sent Jesus. But God sent Jesus to a localized area, only his people. Muhammad had to spread his religion worldwide.

  33. Islam differs radically from Christianity, in that the Christian god is a lover who demands love in return, whereas the Muslim god is a sovereign who demands the fulfillment of duty. Christian prayer is communion, an act of love incomprehensible to Muslims; Muslim worship is an act of submission, the repetition of a few lines of text to accompany physical expression of self-subjugation to the sovereign. The People of Christ are pilgrims en route to the next world; the People of Allah are soldiers in this one.

  34. Muhammad’s Massacre of the Qurayza Jews

    Muhammad lived among various Jewish tribes. He had issued an injunction or edict towards them where he expected them to fulfill certain conditions related to living in Medina. One of these was that the Jews were not to help Muhammad’s enemies.
    During A.H. 5, (i.e. 626, 627 A.D.), an important siege / battle took place, “The Battle of the Trench”. During this time, Muhammad’s enemies (Meccans and their allies), negotiated with the Jews of the tribe of Banu Qurayza to aid them against Muhammad. In the end the Jews did not betray Muhammad and did not allow the Quraysh to use their land to launch an attack, and they did not participate in any attack against Muhammad. Certainly they were not Muhammad’s best friends, having seen the brutalities and murders he had carried out against so many of their own people, but they obviously feared the political/military realities after the Quraysh army departed, and did not want to be Muhamads targets.
    The Quraysh eventually lifted the siege and returned to their homes. Following that, Muhammad claimed that the angel Gabriel came to him and ordered him to attack the Banu Qurayza. (Notice that it is this spirit “Gabriel” at work again, motivating Muhammad to attack). By this point in time the Muslims were aware that the Qurayza negotiated with the Quraysh. Though the negotiations did not result in the feared alliance, still they were of great concern to the Muslims and incited hatred towards the Jews, so refusal of the Quraysh to participate in action against Muhammad was about to be rewarded Islamic style. Sa’d Muadh, one of Muhammad’s top lieutenants, who was severely wounded during the Battle of the Trench, proclaimed that he did not want to die until he had seen the Jews destroyed. As the confrontation began, a Muslim who was on good terms with the Qurayza told them that Muhammad intended to massacre the Jews.
    Eventually, the Jews could not hold out and they surrendered, probably assuming their non aggressive stand during the battle of the Trench would prevent them from receiving a fate worse than previous cities he had conquered. By the time they realized their peril, it was too late, they were without weapons and their hands were bound behind their backs. Muhammad picked out one of his men to judge their fate: the very same Sa’d Muadh, who had made the previously mentioned death declaration, of which undoubtedly Muhammad was aware. Sa’d proclaimed that the adult males (any teenage boy who had started puberty) were to be beheaded, and, the woman and children enslaved. Thus Muhammad massacred 800 prisoners of war and enslaved their women and children.
    The Sirat Rasulallah, op cit, page 464, records what one of the Jewish leaders said:
    Huyayy was brought out wearing a flowered robe in which he had made holes about the size of the finger-tips in every part so that it should not be taken from him as spoil, with his hands bound to his neck by a rope. When he saw the apostle he said, ‘By God, I do not blame myself for opposing you, but he who forsakes God will be forsaken.’ Then he went to the men and said, ‘God’s command is right. A book and a decree, and massacre have been written against the Sons of Israel.’ Then he sat down and his head was struck off.
    Muhammad massacred 800 men, not for making war upon him, not for aiding his enemies, but only because they were a threat to his further aims. They had rejected Muhammad and Islam, and they would not follow him as a prophet. Consequently, they would have to be removed. At this point in time, there were no more pagan leaders to plead for these Jews (as Ubayy had done for the Qaynuqa). There were no more Jewish tribes or allies nearby to lend them a hand, (they had all been expelled). Now Muhammad was free to do what appears he intended from the beginning: massacre those who threatened him and/or refused to become his followers.
    Apparently some of these Jews were given the option of becoming Muslims but they refused. From the only records available, only four Jews are recorded as having converted – obviously to save their own lives. The Jews believed Muhammad was a false prophet, hence their leader accepted their massacre instead of yielding to him.
    Edward Gibbon, in his classic history, “The Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire” described the aftermath of the assault:
    “Seven hundred Jews were dragged in chains to the market-place of the city; they descended alive into the grave prepared for their execution and burial and the apostle beheld with an inflexible eye the slaughter of his helpless victims. Their sheep and camels were inherited by the Musulmans: three hundred cuirasses, five hundred pikes, a thousand lances, composed the most useful portion of the spoil.”
    Gibbon was a respected historian and not some Zionist. But even the Arab’s own historians make no pretensions about their military conquests. There was no benevolence or spreading enlightenment as a motivation. It was all about rape and plunder. The History of Al-Tabari (pg. 166, 175), written in the 10th century clearly outlines the slaughter and pillaging and rapacious motivations of these forces. Even in recent history, the Arab tribes under the direction of Lawrence of Arabia weren’t motivated to attack the Turks for anything other than simple plunder and gold.

  35. When the tribe of Bani Quraiza was ready to accept Sad’s judgment, Allah’s Apostle sent for Sad who was near to him. Sad came, riding a donkey and when he came near, Allah’s Apostle said (to the Ansar), “Stand up for your leader.” Then Sad came and sat beside Allah’s Apostle who said to him. “These people are ready to accept your judgment.” Sad said, “I give the judgment that their warriors should be killed and their children and women should be taken as prisoners.” The Prophet then remarked, “O Sad! You have judged amongst them with (or similar to) the judgment of the King Allah.” (Sahih Bukhari 4.280)

  36. Well, nice fake copy/paste work…

    The very obvious proof of your ignorance is that you believe there are different Gods for each of Islam and Christianity. You need to know that both religions come from one God. Muhammad and Jesus are messengers of the same God. But each of them had a different message than the other.

    In your fake website you’re saying that you got all your proofs from the Quran, and I really doubt this. For if you really had read the Quran, you would have seen MANY phrases stating that Muhammad and Jesus are actually messengers of the same God, only named in Islam as Allah.

    It’s obvious you’ve built all this hatred and hostility on the media you watch in TV, not on the Quran and Hadith as you say.

    And btw, I’ve added your website to the list of fake/anti-islamic websites in my article. So I must thank you for leaving the URL here along with your comments.

  37. lol. love the fake web site argunent issue, you are aware that Wikipedia is the biggist fake site on the net, anybody can post anything on there, its only muslims that use that site, it has not even got the balls to say ayisha was 6 years old on that site, why are you muslims lying to the public,

  38. Are you aware that the marriage of Muhammad to the 6-year-old Ayisha was around 1500 years ago? Are you aware that in that tribal community – where people used to live in tents and milk their goats for food – such marriage is perfectly accepted? Are you aware that ALL muslims countries prohibit such marriage NOW?

    You need to widen your view to the things. What happened yesterday is not as what happened today. And what seems weird and unaccepted today might have been VERY normal yesterday.

    I'm very honest, dear pal. I see nothing wrong with criticizing my own religion, and indeed, there are a few flaws in Islam, as is the fact with other religions, but the Ayisha incident is perfectly normal in that era.

  39. is the koran for all times?

  40. From:
    Ask the Imam
    http://islam.tc/ask-imam/index.php
    Islamic Q & A Online
    with Mufti Ebrahim Desai
    Camperdown, South Africa

    Question 6737 from Germany – Jan 10 2002
    http://islam.tc/ask-imam/view.php?q=6737

    [question]
    i am 45 and married to already 15 years now after the sexual desire of my woman has nearly gone i am looking to marry again. And i would like to marry a woman who is 12 years old, her father and she has also agreed, my first wife told me that it could make problems if it will be a big different in age, and also some of my children are older than my second wife. What is your advise ? And is it allowed for me to have already sexual intercourse with these woman after we are married or to i have to wait till she reach at special age ?

    [answer]
    According to the Shari’ah, if a girl is a minor (did not attain puberty), she may be given in marriage by her father. When she attains puberty, she has the right to maintain the marriage or discontinue the marriage. There is no age limit to be intimate with one’s wife even if she is a minor.

    It is important for you, in your situation, to consider the age difference reservation expressed by your wife.

    and Allah Ta’ala Knows Best

    Mufti Ebrahim Desai

  41. From:
    Marriage at an early age
    http://www.islamicvoice.com/august.98/marriage.htm#EAR

    Question:
    I have a nine year-old girl who is married to a person at the age of 20…..

    Answer:
    ….. Scholars have discussed at length the marriage of a young girl who has not attained puberty and whether her father may marry her away without her permission. If such a marriage takes place it is valid. However, it is perhaps best if the marriage is not allowed to be consummated until the girl attains puberty …..

  42. Married at the age of four, http://hotzone.yahoo.com/b/hotzone/20060320/hz_afghanistan_0306/blogs2986

    Muslim Child Bride, Aged 9, Seeks Divorce http://terror-watch.net/modules.php?name=Forums&file=viewtopic&t=4893

    In Egypt, studies show that 29% of young brides have been beaten by their husband or other relatives.
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/1206979.stm

  43. All these are made up. Please stop posting fake informations to my blog.

    About the beating, I’ve read that in the US, may be even a higher percentage of women are beaten by their husbands, and sexually harassed by their relatives. So this has nothing to do with Islam or otherwise.

  44. Tabari IX:113 “Allah permits you to shut them in separate rooms and to beat them, If they abstain, they have the right to food and clothing. Treat women well for they are like domestic animals and they possess nothing themselves. Allah has made the enjoyment of their bodies lawful in his Qur’an.”

  45. WHAT THE HELL IS THIS?!!?

    I don’t know where you get this FAKE SH^# from, but I think I don’t need to show the world its poor credibility because it’s plain obvious. How could a religion that adores the poor and the weak, and of which a main pillar is ‘Zakat’ – that is giving money to the poor – state such awful violent thing?

    This is fake, dude. I don’t know to when will I be saying that everything you post in here is fake. *sigh*

  46. are you going to tell me these verses are fake.

    Qur’an:9:88 “The Messenger and those who believe with him, strive hard and fight with their wealth and lives in Allah’s Cause.”

    Qur’an:9:5 “Fight and kill the disbelievers wherever you find them, take them captive, harass them, lie in wait and ambush them using every stratagem of war.”

    Qur’an:9:112 “The Believers fight in Allah’s Cause, they slay and are slain, kill and are killed.”

    Qur’an:9:29 “Fight those who do not believe until they all surrender, paying the protective tax in submission.”
    please post a link to your copy of the koran.

  47. True English translation of the Quran is here:
    http://www.islamonline.net/surah/english/index.asp

  48. yes all the verses are there. http://www.islamonline.net/surah/english/Ayah.asp

    rember that was the site you posted.

  49. Yusuf Ali’s Translation Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

    http://www.islamonline.net/surah/english/Ayah.asp

  50. So what’s the problem with that?

  51. If you want to learn about the hatred of Muslims and discriminations, see: http://www.islamophobia.org/

    Thank you.

  52. Thank you, Abdullah.
    Your website is great, and very informative.

    There is a quote in it that I’ve really liked; it defines how some anti-muslims really are:

    American journalist Stephen Schwartz has defined Islamophobia as the condemnation of the entirety of Islam and its history as extremist, denying the existence of a moderate Muslim majority, regarding Islam as a problem for the world, treating conflicts involving Muslims as necessarily their own fault, insisting that Muslims make changes to their religion, and inciting war against Islam as a whole.

    Thank you again.

  53. Quite an interesting read.

    I have some questions though.

    Why don’t more muslims speak out about the injustice the terrorists have brought to the religion? I don’t see demonistrations in the streets saying stop the violence. I don’t see clerics on TV denoucing the violence. Do muslims care?

    If I am involved in a group of people and we share common beliefs, then someone makes me look bad, what am I too do other than stop them. Why aren’t the good muslims stopping the bad ones from ruining the islamic image? If they are not, then are all muslims terrorists?

    What about the madreasses in Pakastan teaching hate to children. Why do muslims allow this to go on?

    MuslimSBPastTense
  54. Hi MuslimSBPastTense,

    Actually, there are a lot of educational programs going on currently in the Arabic media that show how bad those terrorists are. There are many channels like: Iqraa’, MBC, Al-Jazeera,..etc, but they’re all in arabic and transmitted through satellites ArabSat and NileSat, so westerners are not aware of them.

    Westerners also always forget that there are 1.4 billion muslims who mainly live in the Middle East, divided among about 25 countries, constituting the second largest religion in the world. So, it’s not a single bordered country where terrorism could be controlled easily. Terrorists could be anywhere within this huge nation.

    The Muslim nation is like any other nation. There are good people and bad people. There are peaceful people and terrorists. America, just for example, has its own american terrorists among its own good american people.

  55. You state that all Muslim terrorists and killers are ‘bad’ Muslims. I ask what is wrong with the leadership of a religion that has so many ‘bad” adherents and followers. Why do ‘good’ Muslims remain silent in the face of ‘bad’ Muslims?

  56. unJane,

    Your question is nearly the same as that of MuslimSBPastTense’s in reply no. 53. Please read it, then read my reply to it (no. 54).

    Besides, saying that Islam is exclusively a religion where so many ‘bad’ adherents and followers are present is not fully correct. Nearly all religions have bad followers. There are Christians who’ve never been to a church. There are Christian serial-killers. There are Christian baby-smotherers. And by ‘Christian’ I don’t mean a devout Christian, but someone whose religion is stated as that in his identity card. This is exactly the case with bad muslims, bad jews,..etc

  57. Very good points Dr, but you didn’t address the issues about the madreasses (spelling) in Pakistan. Why do these schools of hate exist? Could you explain why the need exists? Do we have these schools in the US? Further, Islamic governed countries, like the 35 you mentioned, do not have seperation of church and state which does not give the kids an opportunity to learn about the world before they are brainwashed with Islam.

    I employ many islamic people and they cannot talk about political / economic / and socal issues with bringing up the Koran. They are smart, educated and hard working but it seems to me that their thoughts are one-sided so I can only believe alternate views in the islamic world are shunned with violence. they cannot step outside themselves and look down with reflection and see the atrocites that exist.

    You cannot justify this by saying it happens in the US too. I am not addressing that. I am asking about Islam only.

    MuslimSBPastTense
  58. Hi again MuslimSBPastTense,

    I’m not aware of such schools, but if they do exist, they must be in great disguise, because the government would not allow such schools to be. At least in my country, Egypt, there aren’t such schools. And if any tried to be formed, they would be closed down immediately, and their owners sent to the court.

    Actually, the countries that are islamic-goverened are very few. Among them is Saudi Arabia, Mauritania, Iran, and Pakistan. I think only these are islamic-goverened. All other Arab countries separate between religion and government. In my country, Egypt, there are Egyptian Christians and Jews living among Muslims in peace.

    As to the narrow-mindness that you think Muslims have, I think, whatever the religion is, there are those who are open-minded, and those who are not. Take me for example. I’m a Muslims Arab, living in an Arabic country, yet I openly talk with non-muslims, like you, and I do have many friends who are not Muslims. It’s a matter of personal, genetic, and social factors.

    For instance, when I was in the elementary school, I had a female teacher, who would not allow a Christian colleague to stay with us in the Islamic class. She was racist, and I fully agree about that, because even Islam itself tells us to be kind and neutral to all others, whatever their religion is, as long as they are kind and peaceful to us.

    I hope I’ve cleared up some points for you, and please don’t hesitate to come back for more interesting discussion.

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